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jimfahawick
post Dec 4 2010, 05:26 PM
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I am about to tile two fire hearths with porcelain floor tiles.I was wanting to know if the porcelain tiles would be okay for the job and also what about adhesive to use.I was going to use Mapei Mapeker Grey Flexible Rapid Set Adhesive.

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post Dec 4 2010, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE (jimfahawick @ Dec 4 2010, 05:26 PM) *
I am about to tile two fire hearths with porcelain floor tiles.I was wanting to know if the porcelain tiles would be okay for the job and also what about adhesive to use.I was going to use Mapei Mapeker Grey Flexible Rapid Set Adhesive.

JIM


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post Dec 4 2010, 09:58 PM
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Are you tiling the hearth floor or also the walls?

Floors never really get too hot so you'll be fine using any cement adhesive but walls (arround a log burner) get stupid hot.
The only failure I've ever had on a tiling job was my own hearth! Heat from the log burner just destroyed my tiling!
In the end I cleaned up the brick work and it looks better anyways.


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post Dec 4 2010, 09:59 PM
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I take it its on a screed?
As long as it's a fairly high grade porcelain you'll be fine.

Personally I'd recommend bal rapid set flexible. But mapeker flexi will do the job ok.
Don't forget you'll need flex grout too.


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post Dec 4 2010, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE (Grace's Dad @ Dec 4 2010, 09:58 PM) *
Are you tiling the hearth floor or also the walls?

Floors never really get too hot so you'll be fine using any cement adhesive but walls (arround a log burner) get stupid hot.
The only failure I've ever had on a tiling job was my own hearth! Heat from the log burner just destroyed my tiling!
In the end I cleaned up the brick work and it looks better anyways.

thanks for that
Its only the hearth and its a coal fire


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post Dec 5 2010, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE (becctc @ Dec 4 2010, 09:59 PM) *
I take it its on a screed?
As long as it's a fairly high grade porcelain you'll be fine.

Personally I'd recommend bal rapid set flexible. But mapeker flexi will do the job ok.
Don't forget you'll need flex grout too.

thanks for that


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post Dec 5 2010, 12:02 AM
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QUOTE (pjtiler @ Dec 4 2010, 08:36 PM) *
you dont wana use the " M " word round here mate
thay,ll cut your bollox off

thanks for that
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post Dec 5 2010, 10:34 AM
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If the fireplaces are in use, then you would be better to use standard BAL Rapidset as the adhesive.

It can perform in temperatures up to 150*C whilst flexible adhesives can only withstand up to 100*C, before the polymers can start to have problems.
Superflex WJ grout though will be fine.


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post Dec 5 2010, 11:27 AM
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Can I hijack this thread a bit please?
I recently called in at a high-end wood burning stove showroom for some firewood and got talking with the owner.
Seems to be a problem area for them. Lots of clients want tile / stone / mosaic hearths and they can only suggest bare brick really.
I see that some fireplace manufacturers sell tile adhesive for >1000c but it seems crazy money for little pots of what I suspect is fire cement.

Can BAL come up with something that can bond hardibacker to brick and then fix tile/stone to the hardibacker?
There is a well-heeled market out there and we are missing a trick.
My wood burner heats up the surrounding brick work to around 250c on full pelt.


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post Dec 5 2010, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE (Grace's Dad @ Dec 5 2010, 11:27 AM) *
Can I hijack this thread a bit please?
I recently called in at a high-end wood burning stove showroom for some firewood and got talking with the owner.
Seems to be a problem area for them. Lots of clients want tile / stone / mosaic hearths and they can only suggest bare brick really.
I see that some fireplace manufacturers sell tile adhesive for >1000c but it seems crazy money for little pots of what I suspect is fire cement.

Can BAL come up with something that can bond hardibacker to brick and then fix tile/stone to the hardibacker?
There is a well-heeled market out there and we are missing a trick.
My wood burner heats up the surrounding brick work to around 250c on full pelt.


Not a bad suggestion.
Will HB cope with those temp's, Mark?

I'll email this post to out lab guys, if you don't mind, too.


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post Dec 5 2010, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE (JamesH@BAL @ Dec 5 2010, 11:35 AM) *
Not a bad suggestion.
Will HB cope with those temp's, Mark?

I'll email this post to out lab guys, if you don't mind, too.


I think HB will cope. It is cement silica board after all and afaik it is also sold under different names as fire board (according to someone I know who tests for BSI). I've kept a piece next to my burner to watch for any movement caused by heat and I've seen none.
Ideally of course you would fix straight to brick, but hearths are normally rubbish. HB would give a nice surface, although it would need solid-bed fixing to bricks to avoid air gaps.
Somebody in the UK must have come up with a reliable way of tiling around hearths?!


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post Dec 5 2010, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (Grace's Dad @ Dec 5 2010, 12:12 PM) *
I think HB will cope. It is cement silica board after all and afaik it is also sold under different names as fire board (according to someone I know who tests for BSI). I've kept a piece next to my burner to watch for any movement caused by heat and I've seen none.
Ideally of course you would fix straight to brick, but hearths are normally rubbish. HB would give a nice surface, although it would need solid-bed fixing to bricks to avoid air gaps.
Somebody in the UK must have come up with a reliable way of tiling around hearths?!

Yer sand cement
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post Dec 5 2010, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE (Tatts @ Dec 5 2010, 08:03 PM) *
Yer sand cement


Yeah, with porcs??? wacko.gif


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post Dec 5 2010, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE (Grace's Dad @ Dec 5 2010, 08:39 PM) *
Yeah, with porcs??? wacko.gif

Mix some pva in that should do it
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post Dec 5 2010, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE (Tatts @ Dec 5 2010, 09:24 PM) *
Mix some pva in that should do it


Nope, I'm not rising to it. dry.gif


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post Dec 5 2010, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE (Grace's Dad @ Dec 5 2010, 09:48 PM) *
Nope, I'm not rising to it. dry.gif

What about sbr cement slurry mix painted on back of tile pushed into sand cement would that do it
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post Dec 5 2010, 10:53 PM
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You tell me!
I don't honestly know and wouldn't risk it on a paid job.
Don't have time to experiment either, so that's why I asked on here.


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post Dec 5 2010, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE (Grace's Dad @ Dec 5 2010, 10:53 PM) *
You tell me!
I don't honestly know and wouldn't risk it on a paid job.
Don't have time to experiment either, so that's why I asked on here.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh calm down
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post Dec 5 2010, 11:22 PM
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just tile it i sand & cement ( 2 to 1 )


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