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post Jun 3 2009, 10:04 PM
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a few images from work ive done

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post Jun 5 2009, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (Sussex tiler @ Jun 5 2009, 06:02 PM) *
Really nice pool Tatts, that must be a few quids worth of Bisazza. What adhesive did you use? It looks like it has got a good open time. How many days labour too.

was mapei adhesive on top of mapelastic waterproof tanking system.

all the curves in that pool where the floor meets the wall were done 1 strip at a time took me a while but came our looking very good client was happy unfortunatly she wanted epoxy grout that took a while to do.

i cant remember excatly but walls down to start of radius were done in a day me and labourer, from start of radius on wall down to approx 200mm on to the floor was 5 days for 2 men 1 strip of mosaic at a time, round and round and round i went. floor was about 2 days and steps spa area approx 6 days, then took me and labour 4 days to grout it all. edge tiling was completed by others.
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QUOTE (tattman223 @ Jun 5 2009, 08:47 PM) *
was mapei adhesive on top of mapelastic waterproof tanking system.

all the curves in that pool where the floor meets the wall were done 1 strip at a time took me a while but came our looking very good client was happy unfortunatly she wanted epoxy grout that took a while to do.

i cant remember excatly but walls down to start of radius were done in a day me and labourer, from start of radius on wall down to approx 200mm on to the floor was 5 days for 2 men 1 strip of mosaic at a time, round and round and round i went. floor was about 2 days and steps spa area approx 6 days, then took me and labour 4 days to grout it all. edge tiling was completed by others.


Was there a reason for the epoxy grout, tattman?
Soft water area possibly?

Most pools here, in Scotland, should be done with epoxy for that reason.


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post Jun 6 2009, 10:21 AM
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[quote name='tattman223' date='Jun 5 2009, 03:19 PM' post='5126']
here a few more galleries tell me what you think


Tats, they are superb mate. A few qestions for you though.

In the swimming pool it looks like you are doing some prep work with a grinder or sander or something, what was you doing and why??

I also noticed that you run a line of mosiacs around the inside of the pool first, why was that mate?

In the photo where the tiles change colour from light to blue in the shape of a big semi circle, did you have to draw that line round first when you set out and then cut all them tiles it or did they come like that (that may sound a bit dumb but i cant quiet make it out from the photo)

I think on the domestic stuff where i am more comfortable (bathrooms, kitchens etc) my work is lovely and i'm very proud of it when i'm done, i have been tiling for 3 years now and have done some top notch dommestics but when it comes to this more complicated stuff this is where you more experienced guys really are in a league of your own, i know how long it takes me and how hard i work to produce a top result so god knows how long it would take to do some of your stuff.... where did you learn to tile Tats? i think this is where being a time served tiler really shows the quality of what you have learned.

I would love to have half of the knowledge some of you guys have got on this bigger stuff, but hey i suppose in a funny way i have got that knowledge cos your all on here and willing to share lol.

If ever you need a labourer on any of your jobs mate i would be greatful if you would give me a shout, i wont get in your way cos i do know how to tile, it's just to watch someone like yourself at work would be invaluable and not wanting to sound like an arse kisser but just being honest it would be a privilage.

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post Jun 6 2009, 11:00 AM
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Thanks Tatts. You are obviously a patient man. I've done some pool work but nothing like.
I pressume your name is from your tattoo's. I used to have a couple of guns and survived college years by tattooing people. I also managed to cover myself in them which I regret now.


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post Jun 7 2009, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (JamesH@BAL @ Jun 5 2009, 10:28 PM) *
Was there a reason for the epoxy grout, tattman?
Soft water area possibly?

Most pools here, in Scotland, should be done with epoxy for that reason.

Thats what was specified, not my choice obviously
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post Jun 7 2009, 06:27 PM
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Tats, they are superb mate. A few qestions for you though.

In the swimming pool it looks like you are doing some prep work with a grinder or sander or something, what was you doing and why??

I also noticed that you run a line of mosiacs around the inside of the pool first, why was that mate?

In the photo where the tiles change colour from light to blue in the shape of a big semi circle, did you have to draw that line round first when you set out and then cut all them tiles it or did they come like that (that may sound a bit dumb but i cant quiet make it out from the photo)

I think on the domestic stuff where i am more comfortable (bathrooms, kitchens etc) my work is lovely and i'm very proud of it when i'm done, i have been tiling for 3 years now and have done some top notch dommestics but when it comes to this more complicated stuff this is where you more experienced guys really are in a league of your own, i know how long it takes me and how hard i work to produce a top result so god knows how long it would take to do some of your stuff.... where did you learn to tile Tats? i think this is where being a time served tiler really shows the quality of what you have learned.

I would love to have half of the knowledge some of you guys have got on this bigger stuff, but hey i suppose in a funny way i have got that knowledge cos your all on here and willing to share lol.

If ever you need a labourer on any of your jobs mate i would be greatful if you would give me a shout, i wont get in your way cos i do know how to tile, it's just to watch someone like yourself at work would be invaluable and not wanting to sound like an arse kisser but just being honest it would be a privilage.

TJ
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I think you mean in the restoration pool??
pool has what is called a marblelite finish on it. it is not tiled was popular late 70's and 80's still done today but not has much. anyways the best way to describe it is a render/plaster like material that is applied over the pool render/screed. it is then trowel smooth and when nearly dry a wet polisher is used on it to bring the shine up. This pool as you can see had been abused and was all stained from 30 years of drt. We basically went over the entire pool with a polishing machine going through the grades from 50 to start then 100,150,200,400, etc down to 1000 looked a little different when we had finished.

im not sure what you mean when you say we run a line of mosaic around the inside of the pool? which pool are you refering to ?

assuming you are talking about the pool with the big spa set into the pool with steps.

we tiled the walls down to the point where the radius started to come up to the wall. i then made a device that that i was kind of a L shape that rolled in between the last 2 mosaic on the wall and came out from the wall 300mm to to the bottom of this i secured a pencil so that i went around the pool and produced a line on the floor 300mm from the wall following the contour of the wall. i then continued to tile down as far as i could using whole sheets which was not very far as i needed to keep the line of tiles running around the corners. so soon after this i started usings 1 strip of mosaic at a time around the bottom of the wall. i continued doing this until i was approx 2 mosaic away from the line i had marked on the floor. then i set the floor parallel to the outer pool hall wall. and tiled up to the the mark i have made on the floor overhanging the floor tiles over the marked line. once the floor was finished i then used an angle grinder to grind out the line i have marked on the floor on the floor tiles. i then had to fit 2 mosaic into the gap produced.
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post Jun 8 2009, 12:26 PM
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I think you mean in the restoration pool??

Yes i did mate

pool has what is called a marblelite finish on it. it is not tiled was popular late 70's and 80's still done today but not has much. anyways the best way to describe it is a render/plaster like material that is applied over the pool render/screed. it is then trowel smooth and when nearly dry a wet polisher is used on it to bring the shine up. This pool as you can see had been abused and was all stained from 30 years of drt. We basically went over the entire pool with a polishing machine going through the grades from 50 to start then 100,150,200,400, etc down to 1000 looked a little different when we had finished.

That must take bloody ages?

im not sure what you mean when you say we run a line of mosaic around the inside of the pool? which pool are you refering to ?

assuming you are talking about the pool with the big spa set into the pool with steps.

Yep, thats the one

we tiled the walls down to the point where the radius started to come up to the wall. i then made a device that that i was kind of a L shape that rolled in between the last 2 mosaic on the wall and came out from the wall 300mm to to the bottom of this i secured a pencil so that i went around the pool and produced a line on the floor 300mm from the wall following the contour of the wall. i then continued to tile down as far as i could using whole sheets which was not very far as i needed to keep the line of tiles running around the corners. so soon after this i started usings 1 strip of mosaic at a time around the bottom of the wall. i continued doing this until i was approx 2 mosaic away from the line i had marked on the floor. then i set the floor parallel to the outer pool hall wall. and tiled up to the the mark i have made on the floor overhanging the floor tiles over the marked line. once the floor was finished i then used an angle grinder to grind out the line i have marked on the floor on the floor tiles. i then had to fit 2 mosaic into the gap produced

And that was the answer.


Tats, thanks a lot mate, it's really interesting to learn how it's done. If ever get asked to a pool (hopefully) i'll deffo be in touch

I hope you don't mind me asking questions about this stuff but i suppose what is old hat to you is all new to me, how long does it generally take to do a pool of that size and what sort of prices can you charge on them etc

Cheers again

TJ


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post Jun 11 2009, 09:00 PM
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once the floor was finished i then used an angle grinder to grind out the line i have marked on the floor on the floor tiles. i then had to fit 2 mosaic into the gap produced

Lovely work there, can I ask what trowel you used for the main areas, also how did you spread the adhesive for the fiddely bits, the top of the steps and the two mosaics mentioned above,
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post Jun 16 2009, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE (TJ Smiler @ Jun 8 2009, 01:26 PM) *
I think you mean in the restoration pool??

Yes i did mate

pool has what is called a marblelite finish on it. it is not tiled was popular late 70's and 80's still done today but not has much. anyways the best way to describe it is a render/plaster like material that is applied over the pool render/screed. it is then trowel smooth and when nearly dry a wet polisher is used on it to bring the shine up. This pool as you can see had been abused and was all stained from 30 years of drt. We basically went over the entire pool with a polishing machine going through the grades from 50 to start then 100,150,200,400, etc down to 1000 looked a little different when we had finished.

That must take bloody ages?

im not sure what you mean when you say we run a line of mosaic around the inside of the pool? which pool are you refering to ?

assuming you are talking about the pool with the big spa set into the pool with steps.

Yep, thats the one

we tiled the walls down to the point where the radius started to come up to the wall. i then made a device that that i was kind of a L shape that rolled in between the last 2 mosaic on the wall and came out from the wall 300mm to to the bottom of this i secured a pencil so that i went around the pool and produced a line on the floor 300mm from the wall following the contour of the wall. i then continued to tile down as far as i could using whole sheets which was not very far as i needed to keep the line of tiles running around the corners. so soon after this i started usings 1 strip of mosaic at a time around the bottom of the wall. i continued doing this until i was approx 2 mosaic away from the line i had marked on the floor. then i set the floor parallel to the outer pool hall wall. and tiled up to the the mark i have made on the floor overhanging the floor tiles over the marked line. once the floor was finished i then used an angle grinder to grind out the line i have marked on the floor on the floor tiles. i then had to fit 2 mosaic into the gap produced

And that was the answer.


Tats, thanks a lot mate, it's really interesting to learn how it's done. If ever get asked to a pool (hopefully) i'll deffo be in touch

I hope you don't mind me asking questions about this stuff but i suppose what is old hat to you is all new to me, how long does it generally take to do a pool of that size and what sort of prices can you charge on them etc

Cheers again

TJ


sorry for the delay in getting back have been in newcastle tiling a NEXT at the Metrocentre 2500m2

hard to say how i price pools, i kinda just know seems strange but i thats how i do them. As a rule of thumb tho i charge approx £55m2 render/screed and tile labour only. and then i add in extras.

so for that pool render was done by others but they wanted a mapelastic waterproof coating on top which i done charge it out on day rate plus expenses etc, then tiling was a bit trickier than a standard pool all the mosaic was labled up different colours went in certain p[laces etc so tiling worked out at approx £50m2 labour only, steps were charged out on day rate took 15 days by the way. spa was charged out on day rate.

hope that helps but if you every get apool email me the plans and ill price it for you
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post Jun 16 2009, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE (TJ Smiler @ Jun 8 2009, 01:26 PM) *
I think you mean in the restoration pool??

Yes i did mate

pool has what is called a marblelite finish on it. it is not tiled was popular late 70's and 80's still done today but not has much. anyways the best way to describe it is a render/plaster like material that is applied over the pool render/screed. it is then trowel smooth and when nearly dry a wet polisher is used on it to bring the shine up. This pool as you can see had been abused and was all stained from 30 years of drt. We basically went over the entire pool with a polishing machine going through the grades from 50 to start then 100,150,200,400, etc down to 1000 looked a little different when we had finished.

That must take bloody ages?

im not sure what you mean when you say we run a line of mosaic around the inside of the pool? which pool are you refering to ?

assuming you are talking about the pool with the big spa set into the pool with steps.

Yep, thats the one

we tiled the walls down to the point where the radius started to come up to the wall. i then made a device that that i was kind of a L shape that rolled in between the last 2 mosaic on the wall and came out from the wall 300mm to to the bottom of this i secured a pencil so that i went around the pool and produced a line on the floor 300mm from the wall following the contour of the wall. i then continued to tile down as far as i could using whole sheets which was not very far as i needed to keep the line of tiles running around the corners. so soon after this i started usings 1 strip of mosaic at a time around the bottom of the wall. i continued doing this until i was approx 2 mosaic away from the line i had marked on the floor. then i set the floor parallel to the outer pool hall wall. and tiled up to the the mark i have made on the floor overhanging the floor tiles over the marked line. once the floor was finished i then used an angle grinder to grind out the line i have marked on the floor on the floor tiles. i then had to fit 2 mosaic into the gap produced

And that was the answer.


Tats, thanks a lot mate, it's really interesting to learn how it's done. If ever get asked to a pool (hopefully) i'll deffo be in touch

I hope you don't mind me asking questions about this stuff but i suppose what is old hat to you is all new to me, how long does it generally take to do a pool of that size and what sort of prices can you charge on them etc

Cheers again

TJ


sorry for the delay in getting back have been in newcastle tiling a NEXT at the Metrocentre 2500m2

hard to say how i price pools, i kinda just know seems strange but i thats how i do them. As a rule of thumb tho i charge approx £55m2 render/screed and tile labour only. and then i add in extras.

so for that pool render was done by others but they wanted a mapelastic waterproof coating on top which i done charge it out on day rate plus expenses etc, then tiling was a bit trickier than a standard pool all the mosaic was labled up different colours went in certain p[laces etc so tiling worked out at approx £50m2 labour only, steps were charged out on day rate took 15 days by the way. spa was charged out on day rate.

hope that helps but if you every get apool email me the plans and ill price it for you
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post Jun 16 2009, 01:45 AM
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QUOTE (Andrew @ Jun 11 2009, 10:00 PM) *
once the floor was finished i then used an angle grinder to grind out the line i have marked on the floor on the floor tiles. i then had to fit 2 mosaic into the gap produced

Lovely work there, can I ask what trowel you used for the main areas, also how did you spread the adhesive for the fiddely bits, the top of the steps and the two mosaics mentioned above,
Thanks



6mm notched wall trowel that has had years of abuse so is down to about 4mm now works great 3mm is not enough.

for the small area where there was only 2 mosaic cut an old 3mm trowel down to the size of the openening and used that.

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15 days to do them steps wow. I'm not sure if you have great patients or are just mad smile.gif I can see why though mate cos they do look brilliant.

Thanks a lot for the offer of of helping me out with quoting a pool shopuld i get one, i will deffo take you up on that.

Have just contacted a printers (friend of my mums which is really handy) who do my business cards to start printing off some flyers for me, then i'm gonna target the more expensive areas where i live so hopefully something may come of that or at least get my name known on that circuit.

Tats you have been a gent mate, thank you

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